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Doing The Impossible: Boot Computer From USB or CDROM Even If BIOS Not Supported Using PLoP

Posted By Raymond In Category: Computer

Dec
9
2008

I really don’t like repairing old computers because they are very sensitive and doesn’t support new technologies like booting from CDROM or USB. A lot of tech tools are built into LiveCDs (such as Trinity Rescue Kit, Windows PE, Antivirus Rescue Disks) where you boot up the computer with the CD and you can access a list of tools that can help you fix the problem on the computer. Since all these LiveCDs are updated very often, I put them into my USB flash drive so I can update them easily. Problem is like I mentioned above, old computers don’t support booting off USB and even CDROM.
Boot up computer USB
It depends on the BIOS whether to be able to boot from CDROM or USB. Some motherboard manufacturers are hardworking enough to provide a BIOS update for old motherboards so it can support booting from USB or CDROM. However, what if you encounter an old computer that doesn’t support booting from either USB or CDROM and there is no BIOS update that supports this feature, it is not hopeless yet because here is an excellent boot manager called PLoP which can do the impossible which is allowing you to boot the computer from USB or CDROM even if BIOS is not supported.


The PLoP Boot Manager is a small program to boot different operating systems. You can boot the operating systems from harddisk, floppy, CD/DVD or from USB. You can start the boot manager from floppy, CD, network and there are many more ways to start the boot manager. You can install the boot manager on your harddisk. There is no extra partition required for the boot manager.

PLoP Boot Manager Features:

  • CDROM boot without BIOS support
  • USB boot without BIOS support (UHCI, OHCI and EHCI)
  • Floppy boot
  • Different profiles for operating systems
  • Define up to 16 partitions
  • No extra partition for the boot manager
  • Hidden boot, maybe you have a rescue system installed and the user should not see that there is another system installed
  • Boot countdown
  • Hide partitions
  • Password protection for the computer and the boot manager setup
  • Backup of partition table data
  • Textmode user interface 80×50
  • Graphic user interface 640×480, 800×600, 1024×786, 1280×1024
  • MBR partition table edit
  • Start of the boot manager from harddisk, floppy, USB, CDROM
  • Starting from Windows boot menu
  • Starting from LILO, GRUB, Syslinux, Isolinux, Pxelinux (network)
  • The boot manager is freeware
  • PLoP boot manager is not like other boot manager where it installs and itself and overwriting the original master boot record. All you need to do is to edit boot.ini in Windows XP or use BCEDIT in Vista to add PLoP Boot Manager to the current Windows boot menu. Even if you are not a Windows user, you can still start PLoP using floppy or boot up CD called PLoP Linux.

    There are a lot of possibilities on how you can run PLoP but I will only explain on how to install PLoP boot manager into Windows boot menu.

    1. Download http://download.plop.at/files/bootmngr/plpgenbtldr-0.5.zip

    2. Extract plpgenbtldr-0.5.zip, copy plpbt.bin and plpgenbtldr.exe to your c:\ directory.

    3. Go to Start > Run, type cmd and click OK.

    4. Change to C:\ directory by typing CD\ and hit enter.

    5. Now type plpgenbtldr, hit enter and you will see a few lines of debug infos on the screen. Most importantly is at the end where it should say “plpbtldr.bin created”.
    boot from usb
    6. If you’re in Windows XP, type start boot.ini at the command prompt and boot.ini file will open. Add the line below to boot.ini file and save it.
    c:\plpbtldr.bin="Start PLoP Boot Manager"
    Edit Boot.ini for PLoP
    6a) If you’re using Windows Vista, you have extra steps to perform. In command prompt, type the following command.
    bcdedit /create /d "Install PLoP Boot Manager" /application bootsector
    You should see a message that says “The entry {XXXXXXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-000000000000} was successfully created.” The number between { and } is an ID.
    BCDEDIT The entry was successfully created
    Next, replace the ID with your number in the following commands
    bcdedit /set {id} device boot
    bcdedit /set {id} path \plpbtldr.bin
    bcdedit /displayorder {id} /addlast

    7. Restart your computer and you should see an extra line that says “Start PLoP Boot Manager” in the boot menu.
    Boot from USB
    8. Select “Start PLoP Boot Manager” and a menu will appear. If you want to start the computer from CDROM, enter the CD and select CDROM from the menu. Same thing with USB, if you have a bootable USB and want to boot it up, just select USB from the menu.
    Boot from USB
    If you’re having problems with PLoP such as unable to generate plpbtldr.bin or PLoP boot manager hangs when you select from boot menu, click here to chat with Elmar, the creator of PLoP Boot Manager. I wasn’t able to get it to work at first and Elmar was very helpful to update PLoP to v0.4 to support my partition.

    [ Visit PLoP's Website For More Information ]


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    • VinC

      Thanks !

      another nice tips from Ray ;p

    • Mezan

      Thanks for this nice tip, now i think my pc will boot from usb, it supports all others.. :-)

    • yaman

      thanks raymond ,but i have a recovery partition on my sony vaio hard disk and i lost the orginal MBR could i use PLoP to boot from recovery partition.cuz when pressing F10 it does not work.

    • bhasidh

      Thank you.

    • Jose M

      Thank you Raymond!!!.

      I\’ll grab this utility. This weekend my computer goes unbootable and finaly I\’ve make a Repair using CD-Rom but It should be better if I could boot from USB.

      I thing this can save time and effort to other people with this trouble.

      Best Regards Raymond!.

    • http://www.raymond.cc/ Raymond

      Yes yaman, you can use PLoP to boot the hidden recovery partition. I tried using PLoP to boot the hidden PQSERVICE partition on my Acer laptop and it works.

    • Rekhyt

      Thank you for sharing very useful information Raymond.
      Gbu. :)

    • http://www.jashsayani.com Jash Sayani

      Great article Raymond ! :)

      Could you pls post about how to use HDClone. Thanks.

    • animesh1ly4u

      y really useful thank

    • Mahdi

      sweet post Ray!

      Thanks :)

    • sb_92

      thanx a lot raymond :->

    • naa nii

      nice one raymond.

    • Ishaan

      Hey thx Ray…
      GOd bless those who dont know about ur site n r struggling for help… :-)

    • sharath

      thanks ray

    • yaman

      it does not work for me .sony tell me to purchase recovery CDs. but i think there is a way to do this!!!!!!! tell now i didn’t find anything useful.

      thanks raymond.

    • Veto

      Another great article. Thanks raymond.

    • Rahul

      Thanx :)

      Hey man can u find any Free Rapidshare Premium account Please.

    • Ammar

      Thanks Raymond

    • grage

      Really! excellent trick

      thnx Raymond

    • Fabian

      What about for those using GRUB? Any way to get it to add there?

    • Fabian

      Never mind I found it on the plop site

    • adam

      Ray , you are unbelievable
      you are amazing
      thank you Raymond

    • Frank

      usefull whaterver

    • Albanian Guy

      Go hard Ray!!! You the best homie! I really needed this.

    • Mahendran

      thanks raymond….

    • Atif

      thnx raymond

    • Kislay Kishore

      Nice work Ray

    • Vinay

      nice info….

    • SAR4PC

      Thank You

    • billy13

      Thanks Ray!

    • Jaheer

      Thanks for this great article.

    • aamirullah

      thanks alot

    • Tarun

      Thanks a lot raymond.

      Now this ensures to me that this blog is really about “computers, made easy”…………

    • mckaisoim

      wow! raymond i think this app is good!! :)

      but what if i\’ll place a bootable .iso file then put it in my usb then choose the menu to boot from usb, will the iso file boots also? like as if it\’s burned in the cd..

    • vhick

      thank you very very much sir raymond!

      it has been interesting every day at your blog. timing! i will fix a old computer. this tool is very useful!

    • Tech0utsider

      Works for my XPS t500!

    • Kosher-X

      Fantastic! That’s what I was in real need for. Never imagined it was possible.

      Thanks for the info. Hope the program is stable enough, though.

    • Firas

      Greeeeeeeeeeeeeat Raymod
      Nige and useful tool again :-)

      Many thx

    • Steve

      How do you uninstall this?

    • jaymanjula

      Ray , you are unbelievable
      you are amazing
      thank you Raymond

    • hani55

      always good ideas
      thanks ray :)

    • Galay

      Thanks! realy nice info.

    • Neostar

      Wasn’t there a version of GRUB complied for windows users?

    • Edron

      Everybody Loves Raymond!

    • Dwaynezoels

      Yeah…
      Everybody loves raymond!

      Thanks ray for this article…

      You are an asset for all around.

      Dwayne

    • wahbasah

      thanks ray :D

    • Halo Shg

      That\’s AMAZING! Now I can USB boot, instead of wasting countless CDs! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

    • wahbasah

      great ray

    • kyosan1988

      It works for me. Thank you. But I have a problem with my Mac OS (hackintosh). When I choose HDD2 > it show dark screen with “XO”. When I try boot Mac again, it show “chain error”. How to solve this prolem ?? thank

    • http://madhabspace.blogspot.com sunkuamr kothari

      thanks with this article i augmented my knowledge as oyurs article has been brillaint

    • 1101doc

      I think I’m missing something. I walk up to my friend’s ‘dead’ computer that wont boot from CD or USB with PloP in hand and then….

      And which version of PloP should I have? On what media?

    • http://www.raymond.cc/ Raymond

      1101doc: For your case, use the diskette version.

    • http://chepelle.altervista.org/wordpress Carlo

      I’ll read it slowly… later…

    • http://potpourri4u.blogspot.com Siba

      nice app but it supports NTFS….mine is FAT32 :(

    • 1101doc

      Thanks Ray. Floppy it is. That rather leaves the laptop that won’t boot from CD still out in the cold, but good help for Desktops.

    • Mar

      thanks again ray, it works

    • http://plopbringtInst.-Fehler Bettina

      Hi Ray,
      leider bringt \”lpgenbtldr\” bei mir den Fehler, stetig die Meldung \”mft: attribute type 0×0\” zu wiederholen… und nun?
      Gruß, Bettina :-)

    • http://moneyprojectonline.blogspot.com/ Ridhuan

      Some HP laptops requires USB floppy drive to install additional driver for SATA for windows XP. My laptop does. Without any USB floppy drive, I use the Pendrive brand flash drive that have built in floppy drive (what does it’s called?). Do u know how to make other flash drive that don’t have built in floppy to be used for the situation? Newer Pendrive don’t have that anymore. Or maybe other solution.

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    • Ben

      Hi, I tried to use this on my Toshiba which does not allow me to bot from a USB. So I thought this would be great! But when I tried step #5 all I got in the output window was
      mft: attribute type 0×0
      and this keeps going on never stopping! Is there something I am missing?
      I am thinking Bettina(post 57) is getting the same problem.
      Thanks

    • Frank

      Thanks

    • karlyn

      I have a dead XP laptop that has no cd drive or floppy drive, but does have 2 USB ports (but no option to boot from USB). How could I use this to make it boot from USB?

    • ivanyou

      Exelent………………Man

    • jeanr464

      Raymond.. you are the man!!!!!! you have no idea how long ive been strugling with a ancient pc of mines from the 1990s and it doesnt have floppy or usb boot also cd. DAYS now ive been trying to find endless solutions i even came across pxe boot which somewhat was too complicated i mean i got it working once bet hells thats once in a lifetime so white out pxe boot and i found this miracle article and BAM BOOM WW3!!!!! the computer is able to boot .. anyways thanks so much man

    • mixty

      Yes. I can’t believe there’s such a thing. I also don’t need PXE boot for my old notebook anymore. Thanks this blog a million !

    • opik

      thaks.. raymond,,

    • Phil

      Anyone got this to work with Windows 7?

    • Rick Jackson

      Hello Raymond the link for downloading the software is not working :(

    • John

      Hello Raymond, after adding the extra line of code to the boot.ini file and trying to save it, my computer says that the file exists with read only attributes. What is the best/easiest way to get around this? Thanks a lot!

    • jensen

      hi ray.
      if my operating system and cd room was damaged, how to i able get inside the window? or how can i re install a new window using the method u show above.

      Thank you very much

    • maya

      I need program like this1 but for linux (ubuntu, mint). Anyone can help? please

    • dmancev

      Thanks Man!

    • http://Brubaker Mike Lovell

      Wow, what a find. Have a HP DV5000 with a knackered optical drive and no bios support for USB. Was almost resigned to buying a spares unit from ebay to transplant the optical drive – until I found this.

      Followed the instructions, and it works a charm! Now able to boot my USB copy of Windows 7, and as an added bonus also able to boot the long corrupted recovery partition on the D: drive in case of any major malfunctions.

      Many, many thanks for this – you’ve just breathed new life into an old friend.

    • N3TQV

      I’ve been searching for uset something like this for a couple years now. I have 3 laptops that are old enuf to NOT naturally boot from USB but now, since I found this , they ALL can use ISOs I install on USB sticks. Thanx pal,
      I owe ya a beer.
      73′s de N3TQV

    • Bal3r

      Can someone plzz help. i created a usb bootable xp install disk but when i try to boot it with plop it just hangs on? what to do i have toshiba r100

    • YouAreTheMan

      It works!! OMG man you have no idea how long I have been searching for this. You are amazing. I want to let you know how helpful this was. Gave my Thinkpad r31 a few more years. Now to install win 7…

    • ahmad_maher

      works fine, my question is if i want to boot a usb to install windows , after the 1st reboot would it continue to install from the usb drive or not ? … if not what is the suggested steps ? …. thank you

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