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You have to trust your software vendor, if not, you had better switch to another company, which is exactly what I have done. It is not just their theft that made me dump Iobit, as I posted before, the program was calling home regularly (even though I had carefully disabled all automatic functions), which made me suspicious. Believe me, the company has a good deal of government officials watching what it is doing, and even telling it what to do. The Chinese have been involved in rolling out quite a few global spybot networks and a program as Iobit would be a helpful tool to do so. I want to point a detail which did not attract much attention. When Iobit was caught stealing, they hastily cleared their websites, which could still be viewed in cache, though. Curiously, Google overnight removed this as well. Now, why were they doing that? Google has little to do with IObit, I guess, but a lot with the Chinese government (they even helped them to suppress freedom of speech on the internet in China) and I would not be surprised if the government had asked them to remove the cache. Anyway, I am reluctant to get my software from a company that is caught piracing: it just does not feel right.

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dispite of what happen between iobit and malwarebyte, is systemcare pro a good program ?
yes...!!!:d
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Dispite of what happen between IOBIT and MALWAREBYTE, is Systemcare pro a good program ?
I don't trust ASC very much. Even if you scan and rescan many times it will still find some crap in your PC.
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Thanks, but not for me. Totally agree with Kees.
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You have to trust your software vendor, if not, you had better switch to another company, which is exactly what I have done. It is not just their theft that made me dump Iobit, as I posted before, the program was calling home regularly (even though I had carefully disabled all automatic functions), which made me suspicious. Believe me, the company has a good deal of government officials watching what it is doing, and even telling it what to do. The Chinese have been involved in rolling out quite a few global spybot networks and a program as Iobit would be a helpful tool to do so. I want to point a detail which did not attract much attention. When Iobit was caught stealing, they hastily cleared their websites, which could still be viewed in cache, though. Curiously, Google overnight removed this as well. Now, why were they doing that? Google has little to do with IObit, I guess, but a lot with the Chinese government (they even helped them to suppress freedom of speech on the internet in China) and I would not be surprised if the government had asked them to remove the cache. Anyway, I am reluctant to get my software from a company that is caught piracing: it just does not feel right.
Could the above thread and this thread be more than a coincidence????
http://www.raymond.cc/forum/tutorial...-liscence.html
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If everyone is going to refuse this software due to supposed piracy, then you better all wipe out your computer as microsoft was founded on the accusation that Mr Gates stole another mans idea. Isn't stealing stealing???
Whether this is true or not we won't know until it becomes deemed true in a court of law when it comes to ASC or its makers.
When a lawsuit takes place by one company to another they would naturally take the evidence and place it in private to be able to protect themselves from the other company.

How do I know this? Because I worked in the medical establishment at one time and if something happened they collected that information from public view for lawyers to view. So perhaps this is what Iobit did and that would explain the sudden disappearance of the definitions etc.
Whether Mr Gates stole an idea for an operating system no longer matters.
It never was proven in court and the person accusing him eventually must have given up on that ordeal.
I had heard this from many people but truthfully I had no idea and so that is why hard core linux users say at least they are using a legitimate program. Yet we are using the software by Gates and your going to state such things as I won't use IObit because of an accusation???? Isn't that hypocritical?

In fairness to IObit let us consider that maybe they did not steal this and Malwarebytes offered to share their definitions at some time in order to crush IObit?
There was a time not too long ago such as the worm that everyone feared was going to ruin the internet and who knows how companies banded together to help prevent that from happening?

May I remind all that we are all INNOCENT until proven Guilty and to quickly believe such evidence before we see the actual proof is unfair.
As it is the evidence by Malwarebytes seems legit but that isn't always the case especially if its been used to set up another individual or company.
I do not work for IObit or Malwarebytes and after reading the forums with the evidence I realized that Malwarebytes went fishing but what were they doing going into IObits threat siqnitures without IObits permission???
That in itself raises a question but I am sure this is common practice and therefore anyone could set up another through offering honest intent and then turning around and saying otherwise.
Malwarebytes has a lot to gain if in a court of law they crush this other company.
Trust me any money they lose in court will be regained quickly.
So I am not so convinced that one or the other is trustworthy and one other person raised one concern.
If they can break open the threat files to that extent, what stops a hacker from injecting a horrible worm or trojan into their threat files?
Personally I use Malwarebytes as they were my choice but it had nothing to do with a rogue program being involved.
As for the Chinese government watching us through them, well then we might as well leave lots of forums for fear of them controlling us through bots but then again a good anti virus program would inform us of such bots. Paranoid or what???
Hope that helps your choice but lets not write a book on the subject and let people decide on their own whether they will use the program or not! If IObit is guilty then all the best to the innocent but if they are found innocent to this then shame on the accuser!
Time and a court of law will tell and if one day you or I were falsely accused I certainly hope one gives me or you the same benefit of doubt.
Many innocent people with similar evidence have gone incarcerated until it was proven they were innocent years later.
So if you want to try ASC do so with a clear conscious until the facts are proven beyond any doubt within a court of law!

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If everyone is going to refuse this software due to supposed piracy, then you better all wipe out your computer as microsoft was founded on the accusation that Mr Gates stole another mans idea. Isn't stealing stealing???
Whether this is true or not we won't know until it becomes deemed true in a court of law when it comes to ASC or its makers.
When a lawsuit takes place by one company to another they would naturally take the evidence and place it in private to be able to protect themselves from the other company.

How do I know this? Because I worked in the medical establishment at one time and if something happened they collected that information from public view for lawyers to view. So perhaps this is what Iobit did and that would explain the sudden disappearance of the definitions etc.
Whether Mr Gates stole an idea for an operating system no longer matters.
It never was proven in court and the person accusing him eventually must have given up on that ordeal.
I had heard this from many people but truthfully I had no idea and so that is why hard core linux users say at least they are using a legitimate program. Yet we are using the software by Gates and your going to state such things as I won't use IObit because of an accusation???? Isn't that hypocritical?

In fairness to IObit let us consider that maybe they did not steal this and Malwarebytes offered to share their definitions at some time in order to crush IObit?
There was a time not too long ago such as the worm that everyone feared was going to ruin the internet and who knows how companies banded together to help prevent that from happening?

May I remind all that we are all INNOCENT until proven Guilty and to quickly believe such evidence before we see the actual proof is unfair.
As it is the evidence by Malwarebytes seems legit but that isn't always the case especially if its been used to set up another individual or company.
I do not work for IObit or Malwarebytes and after reading the forums with the evidence I realized that Malwarebytes went fishing but what were they doing going into IObits threat siqnitures without IObits permission???
That in itself raises a question but I am sure this is common practice and therefore anyone could set up another through offering honest intent and then turning around and saying otherwise.
Malwarebytes has a lot to gain if in a court of law they crush this other company.
Trust me any money they lose in court will be regained quickly.
So I am not so convinced that one or the other is trustworthy and one other person raised one concern.
If they can break open the threat files to that extent, what stops a hacker from injecting a horrible worm or trojan into their threat files?
Personally I use Malwarebytes as they were my choice but it had nothing to do with a rogue program being involved.
As for the Chinese government watching us through them, well then we might as well leave lots of forums for fear of them controlling us through bots but then again a good anti virus program would inform us of such bots. Paranoid or what???
Hope that helps your choice but lets not write a book on the subject and let people decide on their own whether they will use the program or not! If IObit is guilty then all the best to the innocent but if they are found innocent to this then shame on the accuser!
Time and a court of law will tell and if one day you or I were falsely accused I certainly hope one gives me or you the same benefit of doubt.
Many innocent people with similar evidence have gone incarcerated until it was proven they were innocent years later.
So if you want to try ASC do so with a clear conscious until the facts are proven beyond any doubt within a court of law!

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Silks, you said that perfect. LIke I said in my previous post, before all this happened Iobit was top of the line, look at all the great reviews on ASC and DEFRAG and 360...now they're being judged (when they might be innocent like you say) and everyone suddenly hates them. Now that's what I call, being controlled by media, and you know what that is called? BIG MEDIA.

If you like the software, use it. There are no viruses and it does not call home unless it's updating. I have my firewall set on maxium security and they're all completely safe. Jesus, you would think people could think for themselves.

If you had made something spectacular and it was similar to someone else's, then they go and judge you, how would you feel? would you come out saying "ok, you caught me, I stole your crap!" or would you defend yourself, your name and reputation? I seriously just think Iobit knows if they had stolen the database signatures that they would most likely lose everything or lose many valued customers. Why go and destroy your own company? Just doesn't make sense when they have been doing so well since they were in beta.
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If everyone is going to refuse this software due to supposed piracy, then you better all wipe out your computer as microsoft was founded on the accusation that Mr Gates stole another mans idea. Isn't stealing stealing???
Whether this is true or not we won't know until it becomes deemed true in a court of law when it comes to ASC or its makers.
When a lawsuit takes place by one company to another they would naturally take the evidence and place it in private to be able to protect themselves from the other company.

How do I know this? Because I worked in the medical establishment at one time and if something happened they collected that information from public view for lawyers to view. So perhaps this is what Iobit did and that would explain the sudden disappearance of the definitions etc.
Whether Mr Gates stole an idea for an operating system no longer matters.
It never was proven in court and the person accusing him eventually must have given up on that ordeal.
I had heard this from many people but truthfully I had no idea and so that is why hard core linux users say at least they are using a legitimate program. Yet we are using the software by Gates and your going to state such things as I won't use IObit because of an accusation???? Isn't that hypocritical?

In fairness to IObit let us consider that maybe they did not steal this and Malwarebytes offered to share their definitions at some time in order to crush IObit?
There was a time not too long ago such as the worm that everyone feared was going to ruin the internet and who knows how companies banded together to help prevent that from happening?

May I remind all that we are all INNOCENT until proven Guilty and to quickly believe such evidence before we see the actual proof is unfair.
As it is the evidence by Malwarebytes seems legit but that isn't always the case especially if its been used to set up another individual or company.
I do not work for IObit or Malwarebytes and after reading the forums with the evidence I realized that Malwarebytes went fishing but what were they doing going into IObits threat siqnitures without IObits permission???
That in itself raises a question but I am sure this is common practice and therefore anyone could set up another through offering honest intent and then turning around and saying otherwise.
Malwarebytes has a lot to gain if in a court of law they crush this other company.
Trust me any money they lose in court will be regained quickly.
So I am not so convinced that one or the other is trustworthy and one other person raised one concern.
If they can break open the threat files to that extent, what stops a hacker from injecting a horrible worm or trojan into their threat files?
Personally I use Malwarebytes as they were my choice but it had nothing to do with a rogue program being involved.
As for the Chinese government watching us through them, well then we might as well leave lots of forums for fear of them controlling us through bots but then again a good anti virus program would inform us of such bots. Paranoid or what???
Hope that helps your choice but lets not write a book on the subject and let people decide on their own whether they will use the program or not! If IObit is guilty then all the best to the innocent but if they are found innocent to this then shame on the accuser!
Time and a court of law will tell and if one day you or I were falsely accused I certainly hope one gives me or you the same benefit of doubt.
Many innocent people with similar evidence have gone incarcerated until it was proven they were innocent years later.
So if you want to try ASC do so with a clear conscious until the facts are proven beyond any doubt within a court of law!

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Sorry...totally not agreed !!
If found untrust vendor, simply not to use its software.
If found any of the OS system supicious...certainly refuse it.

It's the Advance SystemCare we are talking...not only the IOBit 360 !

Why should we have to take the risks ?
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